The bluffman School of hard knocks

[bluffmanxx]

yes, i've been hearing about tons of beats recently. my son has lost with a full house twice - both times to quads. i've been playing almost every day for two years and i think that has happened to me twice....poor kid, twice in two days and it cost him a combined $150.

[Harsea21]

Can't believe that ... first hand of the tourney ... damn!!!

Full Tilt Poker Game #7007504649: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (53262798), Table 1 - 15/30 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:58:17 ET - 2008/06/28
Seat 1: derNudl0r (1,500)
Seat 2: kaden24 (1,500)
Seat 3: PsychoDonk (1,500)
Seat 4: Harsea21 (1,500)
Seat 5: Jausnbier (1,500)
Seat 6: ESTL618 (1,500)
derNudl0r posts the small blind of 15
kaden24 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Harsea21 [8s 9d Ad 8h]
PsychoDonk has 15 seconds left to act
PsychoDonk folds
Harsea21 raises to 60
Jausnbier folds
ESTL618 calls 60
derNudl0r calls 45
kaden24 calls 30
*** FLOP *** [9c Qs 9h]
derNudl0r bets 240
kaden24 folds
Harsea21 calls 240
ESTL618 folds
*** TURN *** [9c Qs 9h] [6h]
derNudl0r bets 300
Harsea21 calls 300
*** RIVER *** [9c Qs 9h 6h] [Jh]
derNudl0r checks
Harsea21 checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
derNudl0r shows [2h 9s Th Ks] a flush, Jack high
Harsea21 mucks
derNudl0r wins the pot (1,320) with a flush, Jack high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,320 | Rake 0
Board: [9c Qs 9h 6h Jh]
Seat 1: derNudl0r (small blind) showed [2h 9s Th Ks] and won (1,320) with a flush, Jack high
Seat 2: kaden24 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: PsychoDonk didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Harsea21 mucked [8s 9d Ad 8h] - three of a kind, Nines
Seat 5: Jausnbier didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: ESTL618 (button) folded on the Flop

Had him with my Ace kicker ... and he tried to check/raise me on the river .... pffff!

[Harsea21]

Another tourney ... it continues!! WoW!!

Full Tilt Poker Game #7008589543: $1,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (53163017), Table 290 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:30:53 ET - 2008/06/28
Seat 1: Harsea21 (4,480)
Seat 2: 1luckyladyl (1,000)
Seat 3: FabersJab (10,700)
Seat 4: heavenlyluck (580), is sitting out
Seat 5: carlos107 (15,280)
Seat 6: rustyshacklefrd (3,250)
Seat 7: apd_az_1988 (13,525)
Seat 8: MY HOSE IS LONG (1,000)
Seat 9: AEM Ords (15,930)
FabersJab posts the small blind of 50
heavenlyluck posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Harsea21 [5c Ah]
carlos107 folds
rustyshacklefrd folds
apd_az_1988 folds
MY HOSE IS LONG raises to 200
AEM Ords folds
Harsea21 calls 200
1luckyladyl folds
FabersJab calls 150
heavenlyluck folds
*** FLOP *** [5d 8c Ad]
FabersJab checks
MY HOSE IS LONG checks
Harsea21 has 15 seconds left to act
Harsea21 bets 700
FabersJab calls 700
MY HOSE IS LONG raises to 800, and is all in
Harsea21 calls 100
FabersJab calls 100
*** TURN *** [5d 8c Ad] [6c]
FabersJab bets 1,000
Harsea21 raises to 3,480, and is all in
FabersJab calls 2,480
Harsea21 shows [5c Ah]
FabersJab shows [As 6s]
MY HOSE IS LONG shows [Th Tc]
*** RIVER *** [5d 8c Ad 6c] [3c]
Harsea21 shows two pair, Aces and Fives
FabersJab shows two pair, Aces and Sixes
FabersJab wins the side pot (6,960) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
MY HOSE IS LONG shows a pair of Tens
FabersJab wins the main pot (3,100) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Harsea21 adds 2,000
Harsea21: that is gay
MY HOSE IS LONG is sitting out
MY HOSE IS LONG stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10,060 Main pot 3,100. Side pot 6,960. | Rake 0
Board: [5d 8c Ad 6c 3c]
Seat 1: Harsea21 showed [5c Ah] and lost with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 2: 1luckyladyl (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: FabersJab (small blind) showed [As 6s] and won (10,060) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 4: heavenlyluck (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: carlos107 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: rustyshacklefrd didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: apd_az_1988 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: MY HOSE IS LONG showed [Th Tc] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 9: AEM Ords didn't bet (folded)


Can't believe this!

[kmanharris]

question.. are you calling with A5 hoping for a flop just like that? What do you do if an ace hits? Do you fold to a bet or reraise? IMO i fold A5 to any raise, i have playing A-rag and you are putting yourself in just a marginal position. I mean it sucks you lost to a higher to pair on the turn but when you got your money in it was with the worse hand so there should really be no complaining.

[Harsea21]

Whatever happened preflop ... it was a min raise, and I often play my connectors.

But I bet the pot with my 2 pairs and this guy called me with top pair and hits his second pair, higher than mine ... that sucks!!!

Between A5 and A6, I play A5 anytime ...

Problem is the action after flop ... I mean I was 70% fav ... so betting the pot to steal it was a good thing to do. I didn't weant the diamonds to come neither ...

[Harsea21]

You will like this one kman ... maybe I shall stop playing all together.

Full Tilt Poker Game #7010236378: $32,000 Guarantee (52581282), Table 86 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:54:05 ET - 2008/06/28
Seat 1: hawkdriver60 (2,090)
Seat 2: Harsea21 (10,660)
Seat 3: Leonids6 (7,035), is sitting out
Seat 4: berlinasa (2,149)
Seat 5: The GHOST_10 (3,615)
Seat 6: CPo26 (3,795)
Seat 7: Cape_Hook (5,845)
Seat 8: Xenode (6,189)
Seat 9: Str8flushstr8ed (6,235)
Xenode posts the small blind of 50
Str8flushstr8ed posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Harsea21 [Th Tc]
hawkdriver60 folds
Harsea21 raises to 350
Leonids6 folds
berlinasa calls 350
The GHOST_10 folds
CPo26 folds
Cape_Hook folds
Leonids6 has returned
Xenode calls 300
Str8flushstr8ed calls 250
*** FLOP *** [3h 3d 7c]
Xenode checks
Str8flushstr8ed checks
Harsea21 bets 1,400
berlinasa calls 1,400
Xenode folds
Str8flushstr8ed folds
*** TURN *** [3h 3d 7c] [6c]
Harsea21 has 15 seconds left to act
Harsea21 bets 500
berlinasa calls 399, and is all in
Harsea21 shows [Th Tc]
berlinasa shows [Ah Qs]
Uncalled bet of 101 returned to Harsea21
*** RIVER *** [3h 3d 7c 6c] [Qc]
Harsea21 shows two pair, Tens and Threes
berlinasa shows two pair, Queens and Threes
berlinasa wins the pot (4,998) with two pair, Queens and Threes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,998 | Rake 0
Board: [3h 3d 7c 6c Qc]
Seat 1: hawkdriver60 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Harsea21 showed [Th Tc] and lost with two pair, Tens and Threes
Seat 3: Leonids6 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: berlinasa showed [Ah Qs] and won (4,998) with two pair, Queens and Threes
Seat 5: The GHOST_10 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: CPo26 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Cape_Hook (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Xenode (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Str8flushstr8ed (big blind) folded on the Flop


Why the hell did he called my bet with a pair on the board and nothing on his hand!! I mean I've could have had 77 as far as he knowns!!

[speedracer75]

Originally Posted by Harsea21

Why the hell did he called my bet with a pair on the board and nothing on his hand!! I mean I've could have had 77 as far as he knowns!!

Just from an unbiased point of view...

The guy was the shortstack at the table, you were the big stack...

Your pot raise preflop could indicate anything, depending on how you had been playing. AK, TT, 89, KQ...

your pot bet after that flop could just be a continuation bet, as the chip leader on a seemingly junk board.

Seeing as it was a junk board, and seeing as he was the shortstack, he must have been drawing a line in the sand at that point. His AQ could easily have been the best hand at that point. Obviously it wasn't... but I'm trying to see this through his perspective. Maybe he had been getting card dead for a while, and he finally picks this hand up, and finds the chip leader ramming the pot on a junk board... as I said, maybe he just decided it was time to make a stand. The only thing I don't understand is why he didn't just push all in at that point. Quite obvious after putting in like 80% of his chips, he's not folding to any bet on the turn.

The river, well... it happens. He had "outs", isn't that what you told me twice last night? just messing, by the way! I play the LP tourneys for fun... if I win, cool, if I lose, no big deal...........

[Harsea21]

1400 was a huge bet to call for him ... and this a $24 buy-in not a $1 buy-in ... This was a suicide ...

So let put this the other way .. the guys called me because he's an idiot donk!

(I had my revenge later in the tourney, I hit my Q on the flop with QQ and went all-in on him knowing he'll call ... and he had nothing else than AK, took him out and got my chips back lol)

[speedracer75]

Originally Posted by Harsea21

1400 was a huge bet to call for him ... and this a $24 buy-in not a $1 buy-in ... This was a suicide ...

So let put this the other way .. the guys called me because he's an idiot donk!

(I had my revenge later in the tourney, I hit my Q on the flop with QQ and went all-in on him knowing he'll call ... and he had nothing else than AK, took him out and got my chips back lol)

It definitely was a huge bet to call... either he was frustrated at that point and was just going to call any bet, or he had decided that your range of hands as chipleader was so great, there was a greater chance his AQ was the best hand at that point than the worst hand...

P.S. Those calls happen in ALL ranges of tournaments... $1, $24, $69, whatever... there's plenty of donks that just have a lot of money or have watched miracle cards hit on the river on TV one too many times. All you can do when they hit is say nice hand, and move on.......

[Harsea21]

Originally Posted by speedracer75

The river, well... it happens. He had "outs", isn't that what you told me twice last night? just messing, by the way! I play the LP tourneys for fun... if I win, cool, if I lose, no big deal...........

Yeah outs are part of the games ... You need to play yours outs when you don't have a made hand, or when you know your behind in the hand ... the idea is to win the pot ... without committing suicide

You are right after the turn he was at a point of no return ... but after the flop ...

No hard feeling about yesterday ... I hope so.