Too late for sorry

[bluffmanxx]

Originally Posted by kazza1985

Father speaks out about his loss and also more reports are flooding in. We heard in the news tonight how a former social worker sent a letter to the commissioner for social care services resulting in her being suspended and being gagged by the council for her report. This was 6 months before the boy was murdered and supposedly an inspection was satisfied with the way social services was protecting children.

BBC NEWS | England | London | Father of Baby P speaks of loss

Watchdog dismissed whistleblower Nevres Kemal and cleared Baby P council - Times Online

lee, this is a great example of what happens when people think the process is more important than results. that sort of attitude is becoming more commonplace all the time as a way to avoid responsibility. it allows for statements like "we had the proper procedures in place and followed them" to be made

obviously the PROPER procedures were not in place.

this sort of attitude exists all through society IMO, and all it does is slow or stop the ability for people to think and act on their own to do what they know is right and encourages all sorts of lame excuses.

in this case, the officials seem to be acting as if their job is to simply document what is going on and actually acting to protect children is not possible. sorry guys, if you have lost the ability to act - close the whole operation because it is a worthless failure.

isn't counting on the government to solve our problems wonderful??

[Night Nurse]

Originally Posted by bluffmanxx

lee...

Doug meet Kayleigh

Kayleigh meet Doug

[Night Nurse]

Any views on the absent father?

From Kay's link:

Baby P's father issued a statement through his lawyer - Chris Yiannakas - which said: "P was a bouncing 17-month-old boy. I loved him deeply. I remember how he used to run up to me... or when he was in his pram he would bounce up and down until I took him out, giving me hugs and kisses."

If the child was systematically abused why wasn't the father suspicious. If the social services had the child on the at risk register, other significant adults (relatives) surely would be encouraged to partake in the child's welfare. Was the father not a viable choice for alternative parenting or could he not be bothered and just relished the odd moments spent with his son....



^^^Loads more questions come to mind, and I don't mean to sound judgemental against the father, I don't know enough, none of us do, but either the three involved were bloody clever to fool all external agencies... or we have others that didn't care enough or weren't allowed to (absent father having limited access as opposed to not wanting access).



Makes your heart bleed

[billynomates]

The father noticed the baby had a fingernail missing and tht baby clung to him , maybe he trusted social workers? they'd decided mother was inadequate but not abusive and based every opinion on that supposition!

[bluffmanxx]

Originally Posted by Night Nurse

Doug meet Kayleigh

Kayleigh meet Doug

ok, so i used the back portion of her name and spelled it wrong.

[bluffmanxx]

Originally Posted by Night Nurse

Any views on the absent father?

From Kay's link:



If the child was systematically abused why wasn't the father suspicious. If the social services had the child on the at risk register, other significant adults (relatives) surely would be encouraged to partake in the child's welfare. Was the father not a viable choice for alternative parenting or could he not be bothered and just relished the odd moments spent with his son....



^^^Loads more questions come to mind, and I don't mean to sound judgemental against the father, I don't know enough, none of us do, but either the three involved were bloody clever to fool all external agencies... or we have others that didn't care enough or weren't allowed to (absent father having limited access as opposed to not wanting access).



Makes your heart bleed

agree that there are questions regarding the relationship/legal status with the father. who knows if he just bailed, or if he was frustrated by the court ordered custody/support. maybe he had his own issues and was restricted in his visitation. like you said, lots of questions that reflect poorly on the individuals, the social welfare system and society as a whole.

[billynomates]

lots of questions that reflect poorly on the individuals, the social welfare system and society as a whole.

Typical of UK, pass the buck, everyone's fault except mine! I can't stand Russell Brand but at least he had the balls to say 'My fault!' and resign (OK he prob had an ulterior motive but give him the benefit of the doubt)

[kazza1985]

Originally Posted by billynomates

Typical of UK, pass the buck, everyone's fault except mine! I can't stand Russell Brand but at least he had the balls to say 'My fault!' and resign (OK he prob had an ulterior motive but give him the benefit of the doubt)

The whole Brand and Ross outrage was ridiculous anyway... bring back friday night with jonathan ross

[Harsea21]

Originally Posted by Harsea21

Yes you can put them in jail, punish this sick person, even put him on the electric chair if you want ... but if that person is not even aware of the bad things he's doing ... maybe he's thinking it's "only" a baby ... or "I'm so damn stronger than that little bastard, I'll show him who's in charge in here ..." .... if you know what I mean ...

Hard to blame someone that won't take the blame, cause they are not sane enought to do so.

In that particular context, I think social workers should have done their work properly and now shall take the blame!! IMO

Don't get me wrong folks ... I'm not saying not to blame the sicko .... and I'm not saying to put him on the electric chair.

What I'm saying, is : even if you put the blame on the sicko, it won't have any effect, even if you take out his own life (electric chair exemple) ...

And I did agree you need to put the blame on the social workers and/or the system ... because we want to avoid aother cases like this.

But I do agree with Doug, his life won't worth much in prison ...

[Night Nurse]

Originally Posted by Harsea21

Don't get me wrong folks ... I'm not saying not to blame the sicko .... and I'm not saying to put him on the electric chair.

Say it, say it!!! We don't have capital punishment here