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View Poll Results: What caused the global rise in temperatures??
Man-made CO2 emissions 15 38.46%
The sun -duh!! 2 5.13%
Natural cycles and the sun 8 20.51%
Natural cycles + CO2 = end of the world 0 0%
Natural cycles with a small boost from CO2 14 35.90%
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Old 10-23-2008, 03:01 PM
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Must be different in the US then, the Royals pay what they deem fit and the elite all have residence in Monaco and pay fuck all.

Meanwhile the so called middle class pay 40% on income 40% capital gains over 9k thats b4 property tax 17%VAT upto 11% NI etc etc

Obviously your billionaire ruling class pay their dues

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Must be different in the US then, the Royals pay what they deem fit and the elite all have residence in Monaco and pay fuck all.

Meanwhile the so called middle class pay 40% on income 40% capital gains over 9k thats b4 property tax 17%VAT upto 11% NI etc etc

Obviously your billionaire ruling class pay their dues
until the rate is jacked up, then they will be living in Monaco with the Brits
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Let's see if I can bring Jimbo out of hiding

Besides I am a traditionalist and can't stand the thought of this topic getting buried on the back pages

The world has never seen such freezing heat

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A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over global warming. On Monday, Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore's chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.

This was startling. Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China's official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its "worst snowstorm ever". In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.

So what explained the anomaly? GISS's computerised temperature maps seemed to show readings across a large part of Russia had been up to 10 degrees higher than normal. But when expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery. The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all. Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running.
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The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs GISS began hastily revising its figures. This only made the confusion worse because, to compensate for the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a new "hotspot" in the Arctic - in a month when satellite images were showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same time last year.

A GISS spokesman lamely explained that the reason for the error in the Russian figures was that they were obtained from another body, and that GISS did not have resources to exercise proper quality control over the data it was supplied with.
How embarrassing.
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I noticed this gem in another thread.

warming eh???

i don't think folks in Siberia are buying the global warming line either. Bitterly Cold Air Hits Siberia

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When the pit is dull, I can count on Douggie to bump Global Warming.
can't let our most cherished traditions die can we???

oh, and how's the weather in Las Vegas these days Jen??
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UN PUSHING GLOBAL WARMING SCAM EVEN HARDER

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In case you all didn't know, the UN is having a little climate conference in Poland right now. And an Associated Press report from Poland says, "Scientists studying the changing nature of the Earth's climate say they have completed one crucial task -- proving beyond a doubt that global warming is real. Now they have to figure out just what to do about it."

Aren't you thrilled? The UN has figured it out! The debate is over! And right now more than 10,000 UN delegates and environmentalists are sitting in Poland and working out the kinks of their plans to cap greenhouse emissions around the world. They are itching at the chance to make the evil rich countries pay up.
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Let's look at the weather map. It snowed yesterday in Houston, Texas. The temperature in Siberia was around 80 degrees below zero. Southern California is headed for record low temperatures with snow in some LA suburbs. The Earth hasn't warmed a bit in the last eight years. In fact, it has been cooling slightly. The ocean waters off California are cooling. In the midst of all of this the United Nations is now telling us that it has been absolutely proven that man is causing global warming and that we must act right now to stop it or 30% of all plant and animal life on earth will perish.
Amazes me that still it has not been proven that man made CO2 is driving warmer global temperatures. Yes CO2 levels are up, yes the climate warmed until our recent cold snap....but can anyone really prove that CO2 did the deed?? Hell, the government couldn't even prove that OJ killed Nicole, and this is a done deal??

UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

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POZNAN, Poland - The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN. The report has added about 250 scientists (and growing) in 2008 to the over 400 scientists who spoke out in 2007.
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"Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp...Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact." - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.
Let's see how many headlines this report generates
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