Capital Punishment

[spaceboy761]

Our legal system just makes too many false convictions in murder and rape trails to make the death penalty viable. Ideally, the courts would be perfect and we could consider issuing an irreversible punishment. Unfortunately, that just isn't the case.

If something ever happened to one of my family members, I don't think that I could request the death penalty. That would stop me from requesting the most awful imprisonment legally possible, but I don't think that I could ever live with myself sending someone to their death. My loved one wouldn't be coming back either way.

DJ made a great point. If anyone ever deserved the death penalty, it was the bastards who tortured Jeses for 72 hours before killing him in the most brutal way known at the time. Jesus himself asked for their forgiveness and not their heads. What other answer do you need?

[kazza1985]

Originally Posted by Niccivan

Posts like this really puzzle me. To make this comparisson is absurd. I do believe God is the ultimate decider of life and death. And since you brought up God and how us "believers" feel about caital punishment, I'd throw my thoughts out there regarding God on this issue, but why beat a dead horse?

For every action there is a consequence, whether it be good or bad. You kill someone, there is a price to pay. Sometimes that price is with your own life. You have sex, your consequence can be pregnancy. Lucky for you pro-lifers out there you have the free will to terminate your consequence. also luckily, most convicted of murder don't have that luxury.

...and it really puzzles me when people take what I have said and turn it in to something else. I was not making a comparison and had you continued reading you would have seen my reply to Doug saying the two were completely different. I also said to Doug that my point was that when it comes to life and death... believers in God generally tell others that it is down to God to decide who lives and dies so why in the cases of criminals does it make it ok for humans to decide and the whole debate of God deciding, goes out the window. I could go through the threads if you like and find the numerous of times you yourself have stated that ONLY God has the right to decide who lives and dies. IMO, you are picking these reasons to suit you. Your arguements are not consistent.

So just so I am clear, as a christian, you believe only God has the right the decide life and death when it comes to abortions but when it comes to capital punishment, that rule goes out the window and it is no longer only God's right, but states as well? hmmm got me stumped. Oh and all because its innocent life versus evil doings? Yet God is still the only one who has the right to decide life and death. Help me out because I'm confused... it simply doesn't add up.

[bluffmanxx]

Originally Posted by Night Nurse

Of course my reference to the USA was tongue-in-cheek

oh, yes...of course...that's why you had to defend it with the info on comparing crime stats. i'm well aware that crime stats are not going to be the same everywhere.

you made a factually incorrect statement that was used as a cheap shot. an apology might be more appropriate than trying to defend your statement.

[Night Nurse]

Oh my God, on your high horse again... you won't find me apologising for using humour

[bluffmanxx]

Originally Posted by kazza1985

So just so I am clear, as a christian, you believe only God has the right the decide life and death when it comes to abortions but when it comes to capital punishment, that rule goes out the window and it is no longer only God's right, but states as well? hmmm got me stumped. Oh and all because its innocent life versus evil doings? Yet God is still the only one who has the right to decide life and death. Help me out because I'm confused... it simply doesn't add up.

this part is the part that has me confused.

is killing a puppy the same as killing a dog that has attacked and killed or maimed a small child??

one is sick, the other makes sense.

dogs are not human, but i hope that makes it easier to see the difference between killing an innocent and killing a killer.

i understand all the arguments about the death penalty - but your comparison is, as i said the first time, a huge stretch.

if we are not to judge anyone, ever - then we might as well close all the prisons and let all the "criminals" go free. that should work.

we do judge, and we do set punishment that is deemed appropriate and i'm pretty sure god was not consulted to determine sentencing.

[Night Nurse]

Originally Posted by bluffmanxx

oh, yes...of course...that's why you had to defend it with the info on comparing crime stats. i'm well aware that crime stats are not going to be the same everywhere.

you made a factually incorrect statement that was used as a cheap shot. an apology might be more appropriate than trying to defend your statement.

Originally Posted by Night Nurse

Note the red ... ermmmm the UK did just that... we transported our convicts to America and Australia (not sure about the Aussies but I wonder if that has any bearing in the high crime rate of America ).

And how is that sentence incorrect? Does America have a high crime rate or not? I think (and for YOUR information I was not posting those stats in defence but out of a matter of interest) that in a general comparison with some countries America does indeed have a high crime rate:

In overall crimes (the total of all mentioned crimes), US ranks the highest, followed by Germany, United Kingdom, France, and South Africa.

But I did not, even in humour suggest it had the highest rate... so why is it a cheap shot?






Perhaps you oughtta ask for an apology from all those criminals on American soil that have caused the high crime rate

[kazza1985]

Originally Posted by bluffmanxx

this part is the part that has me confused.

is killing a puppy the same as killing a dog that has attacked and killed or maimed a small child??

one is sick, the other makes sense.

dogs are not human, but i hope that makes it easier to see the difference between killing an innocent and killing a killer.

i understand all the arguments about the death penalty - but your comparison is, as i said the first time, a huge stretch.

if we are not to judge anyone, ever - then we might as well close all the prisons and let all the "criminals" go free. that should work.

we do judge, and we do set punishment that is deemed appropriate and i'm pretty sure god was not consulted to determine sentencing.

oh for fuck sake... sorry but you are doing it again. Stop seeing it as though I am comparing the two because I am not! I am not stupid to not understand that one is innocent and one is evil. I get that! Do you really not get my point. What is so hard to understand? You are reading it as though it is my arguement for being against capital punishment! NO! It is just that I can not understand how someone can say life is sacred, life and death is up to God, but then go against that rule when it comes to a different scenario.

Again, I will reiterate what I have said. I AM NOT comparing the two. I am simply saying that when people here have used the rule that God is decider of ALL, YES ALL, life AND death and that it is he who decides who lives AND WHO DIES (as said by someone here in the abortion thread), then surely that same rule should apply to even those who commit crimes. That said, I can understand the reasons behind people being for capital punishment but I think that the arguement that God decides who lives and dies goes out the window and is unfair to be thrown in people's faces when it comes to topics like abortion because those people obviously don't believe it to be the case if they are quick to say capital punishment should be served upon criminals.

[r8rcrzy]

Originally Posted by spaceboy761

That would stop me from requesting the most awful imprisonment legally possible, but I don't think that I could ever live with myself sending someone to their death.

Could you live with yourself if that convicted person was allowed to commit again after parole? Or even another inmate serving time for something far less than murder/molest/rape? Could Your conscience handle that? Capital Punishment isn't about revenge. It's about due justice and prevention. JMO

[kazza1985]

Originally Posted by r8rcrzy

Could you live with yourself if that convicted person was allowed to commit again after parole? Or even another inmate serving time for something far less than murder/molest/rape? Could Your conscience handle that? Capital Punishment isn't about revenge. It's about due justice and prevention. JMO

People that commit crimes worth the death penalty shouldn't ever be released, good behaviour or not. Capital Punishment is not the only answer for justice. It is why we have prisons.

[motherfunky]

Originally Posted by spaceboy761

Our legal system just makes too many false convictions in murder and rape trails to make the death penalty viable. Ideally, the courts would be perfect and we could consider issuing an irreversible punishment. Unfortunately, that just isn't the case.

If everyone had a gun most of this shit wouldn't happen in the first place, just a little factoid I thought Id throw in.